It seems that the sticking point resides in the question of just which Provincial facility the accused will occupy during the trial and which system, Provincial or Federal, that the acccused will be held in once sentenced. I fail to see how this could be so complex as to delay the administration of justice for over a year. If both parties are operating in good faith .... or perhaps that is the problem.
As well I have been curious as to how the Scottish Courts came to believe that Canadian jails possibly ignore the human rights of prisoners. The Canadian court is being asked to prove that the various jails do not abuse prisoners. Specifically I would like to know what actual objections to providing the asked for information to Scotland.
I am somewhat aware of what the system is like - both Federal and Provincial and although there certainly is enough unpleasant information to be had of the Provincial system including prisoners working for candy bars and canned pop for a private corporation (with the suggestion that Parole would not be forthcoming if the prisoner refuses to work in those conditions. Or perhaps the time spent in lock down because of under staffing for all holidays and various other circumstances ... but then I could say a lot about how hard the staff works to ensure the best possible situation (my reference is Vanier, a prison for women in Ontario).
I guess that I would want to know just what human rights violations that Canada is being accused of.
"An Overview of Human Rights Issues in Canadian Correctional Facilities" from the Human Rights Research Centre is a good place to start. A few recent high-profile investigations into prison conditions and widespread reports of substandard conditions and overcrowding haven't helped matters.
Miranda, do we have any idea of what happens if the extradition does not go through? What is likely the next step? Is there any possibility there will no further legal action?
If extradition fails, Scotland wouldn’t automatically charge the men here — the case is about an alleged crime in Canada. Canada could try again with a corrected request, but unless they do, the men could be released in the UK. In rare cases, the UK can prosecute using Canadian evidence, but that’s complicated and not automatic.
It seems that the sticking point resides in the question of just which Provincial facility the accused will occupy during the trial and which system, Provincial or Federal, that the acccused will be held in once sentenced. I fail to see how this could be so complex as to delay the administration of justice for over a year. If both parties are operating in good faith .... or perhaps that is the problem.
As well I have been curious as to how the Scottish Courts came to believe that Canadian jails possibly ignore the human rights of prisoners. The Canadian court is being asked to prove that the various jails do not abuse prisoners. Specifically I would like to know what actual objections to providing the asked for information to Scotland.
I am somewhat aware of what the system is like - both Federal and Provincial and although there certainly is enough unpleasant information to be had of the Provincial system including prisoners working for candy bars and canned pop for a private corporation (with the suggestion that Parole would not be forthcoming if the prisoner refuses to work in those conditions. Or perhaps the time spent in lock down because of under staffing for all holidays and various other circumstances ... but then I could say a lot about how hard the staff works to ensure the best possible situation (my reference is Vanier, a prison for women in Ontario).
I guess that I would want to know just what human rights violations that Canada is being accused of.
"An Overview of Human Rights Issues in Canadian Correctional Facilities" from the Human Rights Research Centre is a good place to start. A few recent high-profile investigations into prison conditions and widespread reports of substandard conditions and overcrowding haven't helped matters.
It looks like there are a lot of people who live in glass houses tossing stones ... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c722rq20dp1o
Miranda, do we have any idea of what happens if the extradition does not go through? What is likely the next step? Is there any possibility there will no further legal action?
If extradition fails, Scotland wouldn’t automatically charge the men here — the case is about an alleged crime in Canada. Canada could try again with a corrected request, but unless they do, the men could be released in the UK. In rare cases, the UK can prosecute using Canadian evidence, but that’s complicated and not automatic.